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Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:51 am
by kerrie24
I couldnt stay awake long enough,but I did watch the one about the phonecalls people made who were trapped in the towers before they collapsed.It was sad :(

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:34 am
by dipsydoodlenoodle
I've never seen it; my aunty and uncle saw it ages ago and they said it was brilliant. I just figured it would be too upsetting; I know it happened and I remember it happening and I remember being upset and shocked and it wasn't anyone I know involved; although my cousin was there about 3 days earlier.

I also half fancied the phone call prog yesterday but for the same reasons as above I didn't watch it.

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:59 pm
by captainf
I missed the phonecalls one, but I can imagine that was incredibly upsetting. :(
United 93 was very well made - the ending is chilling.

I had relatives on a virgin flight on september 11th, one of which was my cousin, it was her first ever flight. They were only an hour or so into the flight when ATC told them they would have to route back to the UK, at the time the pilots just told the passengers they'd be diverting due to a few issues but didnt state what. At one point they were discussing a diversion to Zurich due to the sky being so busy with diversions but they managed to get back to Gatwick. During that time my nans sister was crying her eyes out on the phone to me worrying it was her daughter and grandchildrens flight but after obtaining the flight details from her I managed to calm her down by explaining their flight was a Virgin B747-400 and the aircraft that hit the towers looked like B767's (which they turned out to be) I also explained the flight to Orlando is about 9hrs or long so they wouldnt of even left the UK's control taking into consideration their departure time. When the plane landed at Gatwick all the passengers got off to see their relatives in tears and none of the passengers knew why.

Speaking of flying - I was talking to a friend of mine last night, he had been out flying yesterday from the airfield I fly from and ended up making an emergency landing after the rudder jammed about 3 quarters of the way to the right (causing violent yaw and roll) We're all amazed he managed to make it back to the airfield.

Edited by LME - taken the spoiler out of the second paragraph in case some PPers haven't seen the film.

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:31 pm
by Weasley
I have this movie on DVD and it's one of those movies that really gives you goosebumps! I have to admit I felt about to cry when it ended but I guess that's because it really happened. Even the dialog they use for the phone calls in the movie is based on the real conversations...chilling stuff and totally mind blowing.
Those people that jumped out the towers too - that was horrible. Imagine going to work that day not knowing you would be doing that.

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:30 am
by captainf
Yeah it is really sad to think all that happened. I also have it on DVD now too. Theres no real 'entertainment' factor in it because you cant get entertainment from something like that, its just a sadness that those people lost their lives in such a way.

Was reading this today...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... e-off.html

I loved reading that article because although the situation is serious the whole report on it is more of a joke. My favourite quotes being..

More than 200 birds were sucked into one of the engines


and

But this flock of birds could have brought the plane crashing down in seconds.


I'm not entirely sure that 200 birds got sucked through the engine.. and as for the plane crashing down - notice the number 1 engine (left side of the plane) has no birds near it? Yep, planes can fly on one engine.

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:56 pm
by Bel Bel
I wouldn't like to be the guy that had to clean that plane after all those birds got splattered on it :o

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:44 pm
by captainf
I cant understand why my post about United 93 was edited? Everyone knows the plane crashes and everyone dies - its a true story.

Bel bel, likely the aircraft techies will have to clean that off :P

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:54 pm
by peecee
I wonder if the techies could clean off my car too, where the birds have splattered big-time on that... :-?

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:14 pm
by captainf
haha. You'll have to ask them ;) :P The power washer they use to clean the planes will probs clean your car in seconds :D

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:44 pm
by captainf
Did anyone watch Panorama last night, about Ryanair? I actually got back from Heathrow rather late yesterday so missed it.
Was it any good? Im not a fan of Ryanair personally.

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:14 pm
by Jo
I watched it. It was quite interesting and balanced but I've never flown with them so can't really comment. It depicted Ryanair as a company being run by a very strong character who plays extreme business hard ball. Apparently they have one of the best punctuality and safety records. Punctuality because they use airports where they can get a very quick turnaround, and safety because they have a large fleet of new planes that they got at a very big discount during the time after 911 when nobody was buying planes. Extreme no frills!

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:47 am
by captainf
Thanks very much. First i've heard about their excellent safety record, they're quite well known for trying to cover things up. Even a friend of mine watched one of their planes taxi out at an airport in the midlands at a fast speed and had one of its gear run on to the grass - you'd normally return to the gate for inspection with that situation but they just took off. Normally I wouldnt listen to anyone who says such things but my friend is a very reliable source and knows what he saw and he was definitely close enough to the situation. There are also documented accidents/incidents that they have had in the past.
Having said that its somewhat comical to hear a Ryanair pilot have a go at ATC over the radiotelephony.

The new planes they're currently taking on are B737-800's.. they are to replace the older B737-800's in the fleet because Ryanair puts them on very high cycles. They got them cheap as Boeing needed to sell off the orders that had been cancelled by other airlines.

Punctuality is probably dictated by the airports they use - they often fly into airports not exactly near the cities they serve and therefore means they can get in and out with no real delay as not many airlines serve those airports - also using airports like that goes in Ryanair's favour of negotiating airport fees, the moment an airport upsets them they threaten to cut services (they met their match with cornwall county council as they happily allowed ryanair to reduce their services rather than giving in)

They also make their own flight and cabin crew pay for their own training too. This means they want pilots to pay for the training in order to fly the B737. Considering pilots pay £60,000 or so to go from start to airline pilots licence I think (as does every other pilot) that airlines should be paying for the type rating rather than making us fork out even more money which takes the cost onward to around £80,000. In addition I recently heard people are also required to pay Ryanair in order to send in a CV to them - considering Mr O'leary expects us to pay for all our licences plus training to fly his planes maybe he might want to rethink the whole 'pay to send in a CV' idea or maybe he should make his passengers pay for pilots training instead because a plane doesnt really go anywhere without the people sitting upfront.

Despite being a muppet who seems to be turning the airline pilot job into a 'pay to fly' sort of situation that you normally do on cessna's before joining airlines to earn a living, Mr O'Leary is a relatively clever businessman coming up with all kinds of stupid ideas (standing up on planes like you would on a bus) which gets his airline lots of free publicity - that is smart, even if you think hes an idiot. I remember recently when he talked about transatlantic services as a future venture and added that male passengers would have the option of getting a BJ from the air hostesses.. haha. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That one definitely got the airline some publicity.

Re: Flying and general travel!

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:12 am
by dipsydoodlenoodle
I didn't watch it but I though I read or heard on the news or something (forgive me if I am wrong) that Ryanair weren't happy with the programme as it was quite negative towards them.

One of the men I work with HATEs ryanair with a passion; they had booked flights, 2 adults, 2 kids - they cancelled the flight - cost to go alternatively was too expensive so only he went in the end (it was his brothers wedding) - he also doesn't like them as they ruined his suitcase - I don't know the full story but he'd written to them and they'd basically replied (after months and them saying we will replace your case) saying..."what do you want us to do about it?"